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Christian Churches Agitating Ethnic Tensions in Sri Lanka

April 14th 2009 17:49
Buddhists vs Hindus? Or has the Sri Lankan Civil War mutated into Christians vs The "Uncivilized"?

Warning: the following sources may be considered activist websites.

Bishop Kumara


From Tourism Sri Lanka:

Christianity first came to Sri Lanka upon the arrival of the Portuguese in the sixteenth century. Under their rule, Roman Catholicism was spread out in a mass scale of the Island with many Roman Catholic schools for the Sinhalese and the Tamils. With the attempts of the Portuguese to Christianize native people, Buddhism and Hinduism were severely affected. There were an increasing number of both Sinhalese and Tamils converting to Roman Catholicism. When the Portuguese were driven out by the Dutch, Protestantism and the Dutch Reformed Church was introduced. During the British rule conversions to Christianity increased. Later on due to the nationalism movement among the Sinhalese who held sway the political power; Christianity in Sri Lanka was somewhat restricted.

Background:

About 70% of the Sri Lankan population follows Buddhism, 15% are Hindus, 7.5% are Muslims and 7.5% Christians.

Typically the Sinhalese (the majority) are Buddhist, and the Tamils (ethnic minority) are Hindu.

It was not until the 1980s that the population of Christians in Sri Lanka declined to 8%. Of these Christians, about 88% are Roman Catholics and the rest are Anglican and Protestant. Since the 1970s there has been a movement for all Protestant churches to join together in a united Church of Sri Lanka, though this has been strongly opposed by the Sinhalese people.

Census of India (2001) shows that the Tamil people are 88% Hindus, 6% Muslims and 5.5% Christians.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) are commonly known as the Tamil Tigers.

The LTTE is a separatist militant group that has been fighting for a separate Tamil state in the north and east of Sri Lanka since 1976, and it has carried out numerous attacks against civilian, military, political, and religious targets.

The LTTE invented the suicide belt and is widely known for suicide bombing as a tactic. They also pioneered the use of women in suicide attacks. The LTTE has carried out more suicide bombings than Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and al-Qaeda combined.

The LTTE has been banned as a terrorist organization by 30 countries, including the United States, Canada, India and the 27 member nations of the European Union.

There is now some speculation that some Christian churches have hijacked the Tamil Tiger's cause in order to gain religious ground in the wake of the destruction. What was once formed as a "secular" group, is now more vicious than ever with all the Christian power-monger's fingers in the pie.

Gerald de S Samarasekera wrote an essay on LankaWeb entitled "LTTE and the Christian Church", the following are excerpts

It is quite common to see the conflict in Sri Lanka being portrayed as one between Buddhists and Hindus - especially in the Western media, deliberately ignoring the Christian factor, which is becoming more and more important in the light of the recent developments pertaining to the unethical conversions controversy.
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Even though the Christian population is "still" at 7%, the Christian Church has tremendous political influence in Sri Lanka. A majority of the major business tycoons, media organization owners, civil activists and almost all the senior cabinet members of the former UNP government (which suffered the worst electoral defeat in its history at the recent PC elections) were Christians.

Both Ranil Wickremesinghe and Chandrika Kumaratunge are also widely believed to be closet Christians.
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The reasons for the Church and these Western countries to back these organizations are more politically and economically motivated than religious per se.

The ultimate goal is weakening and destabilizing these countries so that their natural resources etc. could be exploited freely and the holy message of the gospel could be brought to the "uncivilized" masses.
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The father of modern separatism, late Mr Chelvanayagam, MP was a Christian. As the renowned Tamil writer DBS Jeyaraj wrote in the (Christian owned) Sunday Leader a few months back, Christians have contributed much more to the "Tamil cause" than Hindus. LTTE's ideologue Dr Anton Balasingham, a former employee of the British embassy in Sri Lanka is also a Christian. The same goes for Velupillai Pirapaharan's son, Charles Anthony and most of LTTE's lackeys across the globe, ranging from NGO wallahs to left-wing extremists to British and Canadian parliamentarians.
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There is also evidence that Christian priests have been directly aiding and abetting the LTTE to carry out terrorist attacks. In the late 90s, reports of Christian priests being caught trying to smuggle in banned items used to make bombs to uncleared areas were not rare in daily newspapers. It is also suspected that the Tigers have been using some churches in the Kotahena as safe houses.
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There is reason to believe that the moment the Eelam is created, the Church of South India that has contributed so much to the Tamil separatist cause, is set to re-establish itself as the "Church of Tamil Eelam" and become the official Church of the new state. This is the ultimate end that the Western countries, NGOs, the Christian Church and the LTTE are striving for.

Sr Lankan newspaper journalist and graduate of Cornell University in Rural Sociology, Malinda Seneviratne, expressed similar opinions in the article titled "The grand unholy alliance: LTTE, 'peace' lobby and Christian fundamentalism", saying:

It is relatively easy for those who have chosen to make a business out of marketing Jesus, to pontificate on an abstract notion of peace, while Buddhists who wish to visit their most sacred places of worship such as the Dalada Maligawa and the Sri Maha Bodhi have to wade through check-points and be subjected to searches.
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The LTTE is not just anti-Sinhala, they are anti-Buddhists as well. And in this, they do seem to have a holy pact with certain sections of the Catholic Church and countless evangelical outfits all over the country.
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The point is that the missionaries have historically been part and parcel of the colonial project. That project, now called Globalisation, is still incomplete. It includes the erasure of all cultures outside the ambit of Judeo-Christian bigotry. It is in this context that the efforts of Christian Evangelical Alliances or whatever else they may want to call themselves, have to be viewed. And opposed.


Anti-LTTE website Sinhaya.com points to Norway as a noteable agitator in the war:

Norway, which got independence from Sweden only in 1905, is obsessed with the right of self-determination for nations, a concept that was formulated for them about hundred years ago. Having got some money from petroleum and minerals in the last three decades they are acting like a new rich person who has found a cause to spend money on. Like the other western countries they are propagating their culture and are interested in destroying the indigenous cultures in the other regions. They have found only recently the "Christian zeal" of the other western European states that came to Asia and Africa in the sixteenth century and thereafter.
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The church also had played a role in these activities in Norway with the involvement of the World Council of Churches to which the National Christian Council (NCC) in Sri Lanka headed by Rev. Kenneth Fernando is affiliated. The National Peace Council, of which Mr. Jehan Perera is the secretary, has been established by the NCC. A Christian priest by the name Devus had campaigned that the Norwegian government should take steps to pressurise the Sri Lankan government to stop military operations in Jaffna. These are only few of the involvements of the LTTE and its front organisations in Norway.

LTTE leader Prabhakaran is Christian
LTTE leader Prabhakaran is Christian






Darmitha Kotte wrote this passionate response to Catholic aid agency Caritas on LankaWeb

It is no secret now, that the LTTE terrorist movement in Sri Lanka is a Catholic/Christian backed movement which has been using the LTTE as a cat's paw to achieve their anti-Buddhist, anti-Hindu agendas of creating racial and religious fragmentation of this country of ours. Every LTTE function has been patronized by Catholic/Christian Clergy and there is ample evidence of it.
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It is also a known fact that the Norwegians disguised Prabhakaran as a Catholic Priest when they smuggled him out of Sri Lanka to travel through Maldives to Norway during/prior to The Tsunami of 26th December 2006. All these events have been reported in the press. Prabhakaran who is a Christian convert, has been protected by the Church right through in their efforts to destroy Buddhist/Hindu hold on our society.

The Catholic Church in its quest to destroy the religious & social fabric of this country has been working tooth and nail to bring in various opinions, inter-faith groups which they profess will bring religious harmony to this country. In fact, what it will do is exactly the opposite.

During the last 11 years under the Presidency of Chandrika Kumaratunga, she surrounded herself with Evangelical advisors who advocated a policy of shrewd manipulations to twist the judgement of The President into taking action against the majority Buddhists and Hindus and pampering the anti-Buddhist/Hindu activities of the Christian Churches.

Many of the Tamil Tigers are Christian, including the late Miss Dhanu (Thenmozhi Rajaratnam) who was Rajiv Gandhi's suicide-murderer. LTTE leader Prabhakaran and his son are Christian. Recently deceased chief stratagist of the LTTE, Anton Balasingham, was also Christian.

What started as a non-religious protest may have turned into a Holy War.

I believe that the core of the problem has a lot to do with a very Christian concept, Creation. As far as the Tamils are concerned, this country and everything in it were "created" for them and them alone by the European masters (read: God) and how dare the Sinhalese take that from them!

Gerald de S Samarasekera






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Comment by alt_ed

April 15th 2009 00:46
Hi Morgan,

Interesting article. It's nice to see Orble writers presenting more than one jaded crucified side of a story.

It's amazing that all violence needs to flourish is a dash of religious insanity!! hahaha

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 15th 2009 02:16
hi alt_ed,
its amazing the stuff you will read when you look outside the mainstream media . . . it seems a portion of the sri lankan people now consider missionaries and foreign church support to be a real problem
there is a whole big conspiracy theory surrounding why so many of the LTTE are being converted to christianity . . . something is fishy in the state of norway!

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 15th 2009 05:21
Alt_Ed,

I find it heartwarming too.

In order quote correctly they will have read more and more. They will even have to purchase a Dawkins book.

Then in order to contextualize correctly they will have to refer to qualified scholars in the subject. ie: Talking to the experts that they despise so much.

Then in order to interpret correctly they will have to look all possible interpretations. Including the positive ones.

So I fully encourage them to read The Selfish Gene and discuss the meaning of its passages with an open mind.

Do you want to lay bets on who loses their blogging privileges first?

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 15th 2009 06:05
Further resources:

The cases of NGOs whose sole motive in operating in Third World nations is to convert to Christian faith is also under review and criticism. They are accused of targeting the poverty stricken nations of the world and converting them to Christian faith by providing them monetary assistance - this was the practice that colonial rulers adopted and it seems the very same doctrine is being repeated through NGOs.
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From time to time Norwegian Peace Research Institute of Oslo (PRIO) also sponsored studies which resulted in papers drawing up programs on how best Norway could infiltrate key areas like the community of Buddhist monks to push their political line — all in the name of peace, of course.

NGO Corruption and Neutrality
by Shenali WADUGE
Sunday Observer - Sri Lanka

The Church has used the Tamil community in Sri Lanka, first to build up its economy through the plantation, then to run the colonial administration and now to do the bidding for Prabhakaran to preserve its status quo.

Sri Lankan Tamils, the ‘Cats Paw’ of the Church
By Palitha Senanayake
Asian Tribune


Comment by Norm

April 15th 2009 11:40
Let's be objective.
Not make this a personal thing, you cow.

I blame the communists. That's me.

Comment by Damo

April 15th 2009 12:10
Bigot

Comment by Damo

April 15th 2009 13:27
Norm you are obviously ignorant that the JVP who killed thousands in Sri Lanka were Communists.

Delightful people they were. Order a 15 year old to shoot the bus driver outside my wife's home in Negombo. His sin. Driving a bus. They also shot her uncle. Lovely lovely people. But I guess being a book based revolutionary you may not know that. Probably worth a cheap joke to you, but my goodness doesn't the cowardly hypocrisy show.

Google google google...lame joke... google.

Comment by Norm

April 15th 2009 13:49
I'm sorry that you've lost people needlessly, Damo.


Comment by alt_ed

April 15th 2009 17:05

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 15th 2009 17:14
hi Norm,
stirring up a storm are you?



hi Damo,
there is nothing bigoted about reporting the opinions of some Sri Lankans, just because you interpret the situation differently to them does not make their concerns any less valid than yours
if christian meddling is exacerbating the situation it may be causing more needless death
converting people to christianity should come second to resolving disputes peacefully

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 15th 2009 22:23
actually while ive got you there Damo,

perhaps you could explain why it is acceptable for you to post blogs like "Green Left Weekly and its Tacit Support of Terrorism" referring to an organisation promoting a documentary film about two Catholic Tamil suicide bombers (you know that was a Norwegian film right?), yet if i dare to suggest that certain christian individuals and groups may be contributing to the plight of the Sri Lankan people through charity front groups and political bargaining you suddenly claim i have created:

an insult to the thousands of people who have been killed in the ethnic conflict

so giving "tacit approval" by watching a video to educate yourself is a much greater evil than say giving direct support and funding the supplies of the "rebel army" in exchange for conversion to your religion?

it is ok to condemn a Norwegian film about Catholic Terrorists, but its wrong to identify Norway or the Catholic Church as a political stakeholders in the bigger picture of the turf war?

your double-standard is showing


Comment by RubySoho

April 15th 2009 23:02
Jeepers. Is it hot in here?


I'm honestly confused, I'd always thought of the LLTE as a secular organization. But nothing surprises me anymore. Especially when it comes to the Catholic Church.

Comment by Damo

April 15th 2009 23:11
Morgen

You are full of rubbish.
You selected bigotry to support your own bigotry.
You know nothing about the history of Sri Lanka and have only become an expert in Google.

The reason why Sri Lanka is the the state it is today is because of people like you.

People who will tell any lie, say anything, find any nut bag to support them and ruthlessly spread those lies for their own selfish purpose.

Sitting your rump and Googling does not make you an expert. It makes you a hack.

Now since my wife and my friends and relatives have been killed by the LTTE ; Since her next door neighbor was killed in a bomb blast in the Centre of Colombo; since an LTTE suicide plane crashed at the end of her street in Sri Lanka I think I know what I am talking about.

You dear madam are a hack who is exploiting the misery of suffering people for your own personal gratification. A hack you are and hack you shall remain.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 15th 2009 23:37
hi Ruby,
i think any organisation that exists over a long period of time is going to begin with a set of principles and evolve as opportunities arise and circumstances change . . . look at Cuba, or China, or the USA Republican Party
i just thought it was interesting that so many Sri Lankans are writing editorials about this particular theory . . . they seem to have scrapped the idea of regarding the LTTE as their Tamil ethnicity, their (majority) Hindu religion, or their seperatist origins, and seem the be convinced outside countries are in it for a land and mineral and resource grab
i know we could easily dismiss such claims as paranoia, but look at the way western countries secretly screwed over the middle east for oil
in situations like this i think it is always best to be skeptical of those who weild power
and really, when the christians are saying things like this:

Lanka Web is basically a home for Sinhalese chauvinism and nationalism. It is place where history is rewritten in order to put a pro Sinhalese spin on the war situation. Those who write for this internet rag often have little care about sharing the nation with their Tamil brothers and sisters after the war is over but instead want dominate with a cycle of retribution. These same chauvinists also want to extract their retribution upon anyone who does not fit their ideal of what tradition Sri Lanka should be.

who can blame the non-christians for being equally suspicious?

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 16th 2009 00:00
Damo,

i think it is you that devalues the lives of all the people slaughtered in Sri Lanka when you compare war atrocities and death to reading an alternate point of view on a blog site

The reason why Sri Lanka is the the state it is today is because of people like you.

yes people like me who actually bother to consider an issue from all points of view rather than dismissing everything they dont agree with

have you ever stopped to examine your own bad attitude?

have you ever just read something and understood but not agreed? thought "thats interesting" and felt glad you could put yourself in someone elses shoes for a minute?

i bet you havent . . . i bet you cant read anything you disagree with without flying into a multi-thousand word incoherant rant

its people like you who fuel wars and never let them resolve, you hold grudges, and judge, and disrespect, and taunt, and leer, and degrade

and you know, having friends and relatives die in a war doesnt make you an expert on politics, in doesnt make you an expert on the military, and it doesnt make you an expert on research and comprehension . . . if you have a loved one die of cancer it doesnt make you a doctor

Comment by the world of gaye

April 16th 2009 01:23
Hi Morgan
I have given up even reading about trouble over religion. As far as I am concerned people will just keep twisting it to suit thier own needs and this is not what religion is about.

Comment by Matts Movie Reviews

April 16th 2009 05:10
"yes people like me who actually bother to consider an issue from all points of view rather than dismissing everything they dont agree with"

Sorry Morgan, but you have done no such thing with your post.

All you have done was combine your two great hatreds: religion (in particular Christianity), and Damo, and created a post that is not only offensive and based on a poorly constructed version of "the truth" , but is also a glaring example of how blogging can be used to atain revenge and warp the minds of impressionable readers.

"and you know, having friends and relatives die in a war doesnt make you an expert on politics, in doesnt make you an expert on the military, and it doesnt make you an expert on research and comprehension . . . if you have a loved one die of cancer it doesnt make you a doctor"

Damo has written about the Sri Lankan civil war for quite a long time now. His posts are well researched and well written, and prove that he is quite an authority on the subject. To state that his knowledge on the subject is limited to the deaths of his family and friends caught in the brutality which is war, is not only insensitive to the loss of his loved ones, but also proves that your opinion towards him as an expert on the topic, and as a human being, is quite low.

If anyone is interested, Damo rebutted Morgan' s post here Your text goes here



Comment by alt_ed

April 16th 2009 08:12
Hi Matts Movie Reviews!

Damo has written about the Sri Lankan civil war for quite a long time now. His posts are well researched and well written, and prove that he is quite an authority on the subject.

I wonder if you can shed some light on your knowledge of the Sri Lankan civil war... It's just that, for you to claim that Damo is a strong authority on the conflict, and that he's an exemplary researcher, then one would assume that you must also be an authority on the subject?

... I just can't wait to read your next review!!!

Comment by RubySoho

April 16th 2009 10:32
I've been writing blogs on Obama for quite a long time now. I am still waiting for him to call me up and ask me to write his official biography. I'm quite the authority you know.



Comment by Someone

April 16th 2009 11:30
then one would assume that you must also be an authority on the subject?

Sorry, dude, but no. I can tell you that Einstein was an authority on physics, and I don't have to be a scientist to do so. If only authorities could identify authorities, then by definition there could be no authorities?

I've been writing blogs on Obama for quite a long time now. I am still waiting for him to call me up and ask me to write his official biography. I'm quite the authority you know.

If you married into the Obama family, you would probably have a better knowledge of Mr. Obama than most and quite possibly be qualify to write his biography. Even if you weren't a great writer (which I'm not saying you aren't!), you'd still have a better knowledge of the situation than most. Damo's Obama is Sri Lanka (or Sri-Lankans, at least), so to speak.

That being said, like I said on Damo's blog, I don't know enough to comment on the actual topic... I only know what I read in the news, and that's not enough to have an informed opinion


Comment by RubySoho

April 16th 2009 12:07
Sorry but simply being married or otherwise related to someone from a particular country does not make you an expert on that country. That's like saying I am the definitive and final voice on the Middle East conflict because my parents are Lebanese.

I am not saying that Damo is ignorant on this topic but to claim that he is an authority is ridiculous. Firstly, he writes for a self-moderated blog, not The Economist. You can say Einstein is an authority on Physics because he has been proven to be so. And yes, other authorities and experts on Physics will agree. I am yet to see any of Damo's pontifications be required reading in any school syllabus. Secondly, despite its grand title, his revenge post does little to rebuff Morgan's arguments. Like yourself, I'm not sure where the truth lies. However, simply calling someone a bigot and making fun of their sexuality is not an argument and does little to support his claim to be an expert on everything from atheism to Scientology. Yes, Damo is also an authority on both Richard Dawkins and L Ron Hubbard. Didn't you know?

If Damo were an authority, then he would have no trouble proving Morgan wrong. He has yet to do so.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 16th 2009 12:29
hi Gaye,
thats probably a good attitude to have, i wonder if one day religion will exist seperate to politics, without money and property and power grabbing?




hi Matts Movie Reviews,

Damo has written about the Sri Lankan civil war for quite a long time now. His posts are well researched and well written, and prove that he is quite an authority on the subject.

Damo writes opinion pieces on the Sri Lankan war based on his own personal experiences and biases, i dont think ive ever seen him research or reference anything, and he certainly never examines the complexity of religious influences

a post that is not only offensive and based on a poorly constructed version of "the truth"

i have never claimed the theories stated here are any kind of absolute truth, i have openly referred to them as part of a conspiracy theory, i referred to them as speculation, and opened the piece acknowledging they may be considered activist opinions . . . ive given the names and titles and links to the websites of all the people i quoted, anyone can click on the original articles and decide the credibility of the sources for themselves

some Sri Lankan people believe christian churches are contributing to the conflict for their own benefit . . . that is all i have said, and that much is true . . . it is a genuine concern, whether you find the concept offensive or not

if you want to rebut a specific claim from one of the opinion pieces i would be glad for additional information




hi alt_ed,
i think it is dangerous for anyone to only read one source on a topic because they profess to be an "authority"




hi Ruby,
i believe when people express an opinion based solely on personal experience (as opposed to analysing multiple sources) they refer to it as "anecdotal evidence", and that is what the majority of blogs and editorials are made up of
i dont think that translates to being an "authority"
and even if you consider a blog to be an "authority", it is unwise to use it as your sole source of information
for example, even though i trust you as a thorough researcher, i have often checked your facts, its no disrespect, i just think it is always good to use a source as a stating point and seeking out further information
i would expect anyone who is interested in this topic, or any other, to do their own independent research




hi Someone,
i think the scientific method dictates that the be declared an "authority" in a specific area your work must be peer reviewed, and tested, by existing experts
i dont know how the first "authority" was declared, but over the centuries the peer review process has sorted the wheat from the chaff
and regarding the Obama analogy, i think if you married into his family and wrote a biography on him, the academic community would consider that a bias or conflict of interest . . . it doesnt mean it would be impossible for you to be objective, but your personal relationship would always be taken into consideration when evaluating your opinions
thanks for the discussion points



Comment by Morgan Bell

April 16th 2009 12:47
hi Ruby,

I am yet to see any of Damo's pontifications be required reading in any school syllabus.

good point . . . i think there is a world of difference between the writings of Einstein and the writings of Damo

Secondly, despite its grand title, his revenge post does little to rebuff Morgan's arguments. Like yourself, I'm not sure where the truth lies. However, simply calling someone a bigot and making fun of their sexuality is not an argument and does little to support his claim to be an expert

i thought much the same thing when i read his lengthy response, there was little more than personal attacks and a jeering crowd

ive put forth a theory that is popular with some Sri Lankans, a theory which many editorials have been based on, if there are factual errors in the writings of the sources cited then simply point them out, pure hostility is not a counterpoint

Comment by RubySoho

April 16th 2009 12:52
for example, even though i trust you as a thorough researcher, i have often checked your facts, its no disrespect

No offence taken. That's why I always provide links and references on my posts.

Comment by Damo

April 16th 2009 13:11
Ignorant statement 1
"There is now some speculation that some Christian churches have hijacked the Tamil Tiger's cause in order to gain religious ground in the wake of the destruction. What was once formed as a "secular" group, is now more vicious than ever with all the Christian power-monger's fingers in the pie."

Speculation by whom?

"more vicious than ever with all the Christian power-monger's fingers in the pie."

Says who?

Ignorant statement 2:
"There is also evidence that Christian priests have been directly aiding and abetting the LTTE to carry out terrorist attacks."
What evidence?

Ignorant statement 3
'Many of the Tamil Tigers are Christian, including the late Miss Dhanu (Thenmozhi Rajaratnam) who was Rajiv Gandhi's suicide-murderer."
Funny how it is never mentioned that Sonia Gandhi who is now on the LTTE assassination list is a Roman Catholic. Apparently Rajiv Gandhi was less narrow minded than Morgan.

Ignorant statement 4:
"The Catholic Church in its quest to destroy the religious & social fabric of this country has been working tooth and nail to bring in various opinions, inter-faith groups which they profess will bring religious harmony to this country. In fact, what it will do is exactly the opposite"
All 7% of the population are about to take over are they? What an absolutely stupid example of paranoid thinking this is. How did this person get privy to these secret plans?

Ignorance of History example 1:
Chandrika Kumaratunga husband was assassinated by what are believed to be Premedasa government agents. The LTTE set a bomb to assassinate her also when she was in government. She lost an eye in that attack. Some collusion is just not appreciated these days. And I don't even like her.

Half truth example 1:
"The LTTE is not just anti-Sinhala, they are anti-Buddhists as well"
The LTTE ethnically cleansed the Muslim population from the north of Sri Lanka too. So they are also anti-muslim. However the LTTE have killed more Tamils than anyone else. They don't bother asking someone religion before they top them. They just top them.

Now I could go through this entire post and point out the litany of intentional deceptions, half truths and direct lies that Morgan has so quickly collected. However I have no interest in arguing with willful ignorance.

This is propaganda
Dirty hate mongering bigoted and utterly discredits.
It is very stupid propaganda because only people who don't ask questions would fall for it but it is still propaganda.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 16th 2009 13:12
hi Ruby,
and i generally find you encourage additional information from your readers, in the form of quotes and links and references and videos etc.
you can review the information and either accept it or rebuff it with your own evidence
i dont understand why people fly off the handle

Comment by RubySoho

April 16th 2009 13:34

Now I could go through this entire post and point out the litany of intentional deceptions, half truths and direct lies that Morgan has so quickly collected.


No you couldn't. You never read this blog remember?

Comment by Someone

April 16th 2009 13:55
I know this isn't my blog, and so if I am out of line then please feel free to delete this, but could you please ofer a rebuttal to Damo's points? I find blogs are a great forum for constructive debate, so long as we can avoid degenerating to the character bashing and muck raking that so often occurs when Damo is involved.

Comment by alt_ed

April 16th 2009 14:01
Hi Someone,

This ain't my blog either though, being a Sri Lankan (as Damo seems to believe I am) I would suggest that you simply re-read Morgan's post... How would you like her to refute Damo's post when he actually hasn't said anything, named sources, or linked to references?

Let's take this comment for example
Ignorant statement 1
"There is now some speculation that some Christian churches have hijacked the Tamil Tiger's cause in order to gain religious ground in the wake of the destruction. What was once formed as a "secular" group, is now more vicious than ever with all the Christian power-monger's fingers in the pie."

Speculation by whom?

"more vicious than ever with all the Christian power-monger's fingers in the pie."

Says who?
I believe the

I believe the response to Damo's IGNORANT COMMENT lies within the testimony of those that Morgan quoted!

So to sum up what I'm saying, why don't you just bloody spend some time and actually compare these two posts in question, compare the 'evidence and referenced sources' before asking others to feed you an opinion; who knows what marvellous things you could accomplish if you just put in a little effort!

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 16th 2009 14:06
Damo,

Statement 1
Speculation by whom?

well as i stated in the original post, the editorials were credited to the following people:

Gerald de S Samarasekera wrote an essay on LankaWeb entitled "LTTE and the Christian Church"

Sr Lankan newspaper journalist and graduate of Cornell University in Rural Sociology, Malinda Seneviratne, expressed similar opinions in the article titled "The grand unholy alliance: LTTE, 'peace' lobby and Christian fundamentalism"

Anti-LTTE website Sinhaya.com points to Norway as a noteable agitator in the war

Darmitha Kotte wrote this passionate response to Catholic aid agency Caritas on LankaWeb

"NGO Corruption and Neutrality" by Shenali WADUGE, Sunday Observer - Sri Lanka

"Sri Lankan Tamils, the ‘Cats Paw’ of the Church" By Palitha Senanayake, Asian Tribune

Statement 2

this is the claim regarding priests:

A senior Christian priest, Rev. Sam T. Jayathilakarajah of the Achchelu Methodist Church and his brother, Dr. Jayakularajah enthusiastically gave shelter and performed surgery on injured LTTE members (including Pulenthiran and Seelan) after they attacked the Chavakachcheri Police station in 1982.

A second Christian priest, Father Aabaranam Singarayar provided a constant supply of painkillers to these LTTE members as they recuperated from surgery. This is confirmed by Maj.Gen. Sarath Munasinghe, the head of the army intelligence unit of Sri Lanka, who arrested interrogated both these priests.

A third Christian priest, Father Anton Sinnarasa was also arrested by the Sri Lankan army for sheltering the LTTE members and for his involvement in the LTTE bank van holdup at Neervely, where 81 lakhs of rupees was robbed on March 25th 1981. In September 1983, Father Sinnarasa later escaped from custody during the famous Batticoloa jailbreak. He slipped away to Canada a few years later and continues to lead LTTE-front activities in Tamil-dominated suburbs of Toronto under the name “Anton Philip”.

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Statement 3

i would imagine the LTTE are only aligned with the christians who actually support them, i certainly do not think they are aligned with every christian in the whole world

Statement 4

minority populations are capable of oppressing the majority, just look at the white power structure in South Africa during aparteid

History 1

the claims about Chandrika Kumaratunga were:

she surrounded herself with Evangelical advisors who advocated a policy of shrewd manipulations to twist the judgement of The President into taking action against the majority Buddhists and Hindus and pampering the anti-Buddhist/Hindu activities of the Christian Churches

her role is (allegedly) allowing the christian NGOs and evangelical missionaries free reign to convert the poverty stricken and further stir up hostilities

perhaps her fence-sitting has made her an unpopular figure on all sides

Half Truth 1

However the LTTE have killed more Tamils than anyone else.

ill take your word for it since you didnt provide a link

if the majority of Tamils are Hindu and the goal is to convert them to christianity and create a christian Tamil Eelam state, it is not surprising that resistors have been targetted

other (alleged) christian LTTE sympathisers include Father Francis Xavier (Canada), the TRO (USA), Rev. Thomas Soundaranayagam, Rev. Dr. Joseph Rayappu and Rev. Kingsley Swamipillai

i dont think asking a question about the motives of the church can really be classified as "propaganda", you are free the question the sources cited and add your own information, i have answered your questions as best as i can




Comment by Morgan Bell

April 16th 2009 14:15
hi Ruby,
never, ever



hi Someone,
i was in the middle of writing a response to Damos points when you left your comment, i also like constructive debate, i try not to get sucked into Damos emotional language and agression, id rather argue the point



hi alt_ed,
i find it a little strange being called ignorant and malicious at the same time, either i dont know the facts, or i do know the facts and choose to publish lies . . . it would be incredibly difficult to be both things at the same time
i dont mind reiterating the sources for Damo, but i think it shows he hasnt actually read or considered the bulk of the text, as i quite cleared layed out the references in the original post and subsequent comments

Comment by Someone

April 16th 2009 14:27
Morgan,

It's nice to finally find people willing to logically debate contentious issues. Nothing but respect.

It shall be interesting to see Damo's rebuttal. I wait with bated breath.

Comment by Anonymous

April 16th 2009 16:26
Well then, you are a fool someone, Morgan doesn't debate fairly and that's sad, it'd be fun to engage her.

Have you joined ranks with these muckrakers?

Comment by RubySoho

April 16th 2009 22:22

Comment by Someone

April 17th 2009 00:16
Here we go. Why do I have to pick sides? I disagree with Morgan on some points as much as I disagree with Damo or Raven on other points... If Damo et al are the conservatives and Morgan et al are the democrats... I'm an independant.

Morgan has provided a logical rebuttal to Damo's points. That is the essence of debate. How is that not debating fairly?

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 17th 2009 00:44
hi Someone,
you dont have to pick sides
i treat people as they treat me, so as long as people have a basic level of courtesy they can disagree all they like . . . thats usually how you learn things, from entertaining the ideas of others and keeping an open mind
you may notice the group of people that hang out on Damos blog dont actually formulate any real arguments other than "that must be wrong, a gay person said it", or an atheist, or a feminist, or whatever group of people they would like to wish out of existance . . . its all very "how dare they have an opinion that i did not give them"
i think anyone with an ounce of sense can tell the antagonistic trolls from the consistant genuine bloggers . . . the trolls disappear for months at a time and only reappear when there is a dispute or tension because they like fighting and slagging people off

Comment by Someone

April 17th 2009 00:50
... I just came back from a 6 month hiatus, just in time for another orble fight.

BUT I DONT WANNA BE A TROLL!!!!

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 17th 2009 00:57
hi Someone,
oh it was YOU that started this one haha
i see . . . it is all clear to me now
well unless you have been following other users around calling them cunts and sluts and morons and monkeys and frigid and queer etc etc and spamming people with irrelevant crap, id say you are in the clear
ps: i see you just got dobbed on over on the other post for talking to me haha . . . middle-aged men acting like toddlers

Comment by Someone

April 17th 2009 01:59
I only call you a cunt or a slut when I'm pretending to be Raven

But seriously, he seems to hate me the most for talking to you. Go figure.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 17th 2009 02:21
HERE is a funny post on the Writers Forum where Damo complains about vilification . . . ironic considering how much vilification of me went on over on MyApologetics which he is actually responsible for moderating

Comment by RubySoho

April 17th 2009 11:16
Oh now you've done it Morgan. "Dealing with ignorance Pt1". Hope its as riveting as the last four part series. Heck, maybe we'll get five this time?

Comment by RubySoho

April 17th 2009 11:39
Oh I get it. I just read his latest post. His response to this post is to simply list all the posts he has written about Sri Lanka. Apparently, Damo is the only person on Orble who is allowed to blog about Sri Lanka because he has written so many blogs about Sri Lanka. Go figure.

At least he has a Complaints Department. The only blogger on Orble who does so apparently. Probably the only one that needs one.

What arrogance.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 17th 2009 15:14
hi Ruby,
yes i saw that, i actually thought it might have been some kind of factual rebuttal that i could learn something from but instead it was just a giant exercise in narcissism
trying to prevent anyone else on the internet from discussing the war in Sri Lanka is akin to trying to hold back the tide with a fishing net
its all so condescending and self-serving and vain

Hope its as riveting as the last four part series. Heck, maybe we'll get five this time?

oh please no . . .
i wonder if theres some kind of award for writing the most amount of words without ever actually saying anything?

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 17th 2009 16:45
Further information about the "agitating" role of Christian NGOs in Sri Lanka:

There is controversy over "rice Christians" church-planting and proseltyzing in many poorer nations. Many churches offer aid in response to various world disasters on the condition that the assistance requires conversion.

After the Asian tsunami of 2004 the occurance of Christian missions acting with these motivations was reported:

"This (disaster) is one of the greatest opportunities God has given us to share his love with people," said K.P. Yohannan, president of the Texas-based Gospel for Asia. In an interview, Yohannan said his 14,500 "native missionaries" in India, Sri Lanka and the Andaman Islands are giving survivors Bibles and booklets about "how to find hope in this time through the word of God."

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The Sri Lankan Government considers "unethical conversions" by evangelical groups to be a serious issue and earlier this year made moves to enact laws to prevent it.

A standing committee assigned to consider a draft “Bill for the Prohibition of Forcible Conversions” presented its report to Parliament on Jan. 6, suggesting minor amendments that clear the way for a final vote in February. The provisions of the bill criminalize any act to convert or attempt to convert a person from one religion to another religion by the use of force, fraud or allurement.
...
While the JHU claims the bill is designed to stop unethical conversions, civil rights groups and Christian churches say it will infringe on the constitutional rights of freedom of religion and legitimize harassment of religious minorities.
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CLICKHERE to view interview with Vijitha Herath (MP), Chairman, Select Committee of Parliament for Investigation of the Operations of NGOs

The Chairman of the Committee and JVP MP Vijitha Herath, who made startling observations about activities of some of the leading INGOs and NGOs, said that some of them are supporting the LTTE directly and indirectly, but the prevailing laws do not have enough teeth to bring them to book.

Herath:

"There are over 3,000 NGOs, including INGOs registered at the national level and there are some other organisations registered at Pradeshiya level. As there are no proper bodies to monitor these NGOs, the quantum of money brought by them to Sri Lanka and the amount that they have spent for projects are not monitored. The development activities of their projects are not properly evaluated."

"What is evident is that half of these organisations in the North and East have helped the LTTE in some manner. The relationship between the LTTE and the Burghof Foundation is quite evident. The Foundation has sent a LTTE delegation to Europe on a study tour. We have a serious question over the permission granted to Eric Solheim and Dr. Rophers to issue permission to send terrorists on a study trip on federalism to Europe."

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From The Religion Report - ABC Radio National Australia - "Christian aid in Asia" - 26 January 2005

David Rutledge:

"As international aid groups move in to assist tsunami-stricken countries, religious tensions are beginning to surface. In Indonesia, Muslim leaders warn Christians not to mix humanitarian aid with evangelism, amid reports that missionary groups are handing out bibles with food packages. "
...
"One organisation that’s openly combining aid with preaching is Gospel For Asia, a missionary group that works throughout India and South East Asia, planting churches and setting up bible schools. At the moment, they’ve got four thousand relief workers on the ground in India and Sri Lanka, and they’re committed to staying and working with local communities there for the next two years."

Gospel For Asia’s founder and President is Dr K.P. Yohannon:

"So we do not go out giving food and clothes so that we can force people, entice them, to become Christians – but every one of our missionary evangelists and people, they carry with them a copy of the New Testament and Gospels, and sit down, people share with them and lead these people to the Lord, those who open their heart."

"Unfortunately, what has happened often is that people so heavily concentrate on just meeting the physical need. And of course, they get well, and will have a house – but they die also, eventually go into eternity without Christ. And this is where a radical, sincere, devout follower of Christ will see things beyond the natural."

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From The Religion Report - ABC Radio National Australia - "Sri-Lankan Anti-Conversion Laws" - 25 August 2004

Omalpe Sobitha from the Nationalist JHU Party is one of eight monks elected to parliament earlier this year. He’s proposing a new law to prevent what he claims is a campaign by Christian Aid groups and missionaries to convert impoverished Sri Lankans.

Omalpe Sobitha : Mainly Buddhist and Hindus are being converted by certain organisations, NGOs, they are working for the Social Development Programs but their are hidden agenda is to convert people. We are talking about unethical conversion, forcible conversion.

Gina Wilkinson: The monk says aid groups and missionaries are offering money, food, employment or other inducements to convince poor villagers to convert to Christianity. ...
...
Ratnasiri Wickramanayake: People belonging to fundamental groups, coming here and converting Buddhists by giving money, by giving jobs, offering other things, that they were converting. Everybody had the right to adhere, observe as he or she desires, but if a person is prevented from exercising his or her will on their own, that is not a conversion in the proper way.
...
The Catholic Archbishop of Colombo, Oswald Gomis, says mainstream Christian churches do not carry out unethical conversions. But he too is concerned about the activities of fundamentalist Christian sects.

Oswald Gomis: It’s not only the Buddhist community that is affected, there are so many inroads made into our Christian communities where we know for sure, and we have evidence, of people being converted to this type of new Christian sects, and naturally, you can understand the sensitivity of the Buddhist community to this type of activity. They are taking examples from other countries like Korea.

Gina Wilkinson: Indeed, supporters of the Anti-Conversion Bill often refer to South Korea. During the last 60 years, Christian churches won over more than 10-million converts, and now Christianity rivals Buddhism as South Korea’s dominant religion. But the Archbishop says the proposed laws are not the answer.

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Comment by Anonymous

May 21st 2009 08:23
As a Sri Lankan, my view on this matter is simple. Lots of Christian movements took this war as an opportunity to convert people. War created a tensed and deprived community and Christians grabbed the opportunity to convert through 1. Orphanages, 2. Economic aid, & 3. Facilitation. Number of Tamil Christians more than doubled (source CARITAS - Colombo) during the war.

I do not think the church actively took part in war... But they did pray each night for its continuation for conversion to be effective. Church here actively hope for calamities so they can convert affected - but will never act to eradicate the root cause as they would lose rich pickings if they did so.

Comment by Morgan Bell

May 22nd 2009 15:14
hi Anonymous,

thanks for providing an insider opinion about the role of christian churches in Sri Lanka, it is good to hear from someone who has been in a position to make first-hand observations

i think it is interesting how you have described the Church as actively hoping for calamities, that is how it appears to me also, i think there is a huge element of church leaders sitting on their hands and even fanning the flames of the situation in order to take advantage of the poverty-striken and make religious conversions


but will never act to eradicate the root cause as they would lose rich pickings if they did so.

nicely put, and i have read many other Sri Lankan people saying similar things

Number of Tamil Christians more than doubled (source CARITAS - Colombo) during the war.

thanks for that stat, i will look into it



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