is it harder to name fictional characters or babies?
June 17th 2008 11:44
with the assistance of the writing software yWriter i have been plotting out the structure of my novel, however i just noticed my character names were really terrible . . . luckily one of my friends posted me a book a couple of months ago as a gift called "How To Write & Sell Your First Novel" and faced with wooden one-dimensional names i picked up the writers guide with the promising title and looking for some advice . . .
the name of a character is vital to beginning their characterisation!
p73, Ch5, "How To Write & Sell Your First Novel" by Oscar Collier & Frances Spatz Leighton 1997
the book cites Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol" by Dickens and Becky Sharpe in "Vanity Fair" by William Thackery
GENIUS! i thought to myself (the simple obvious things often impress me the most haha)
the book also says it can be a legal problem to choose a name of an actual person that exists within the locatio the book is set in and recommends checking the phone book when selecting character names
author Scott Nicholson warns of using names that are too loaded "If your fictional Edward Wax is a candle maker or your Webb Weatherman is a meteorologist, you’d better be writing comedy or satire." and points out the trend of name-dropping other authors or literary characters can often be more tedious than clever and lose the reader
or making your characters names too "namey" like they are from a random name generator, saying Dean Koontz is one of the only writers "skilled enough to name a serious character “Odd Thomas” and get away with it." Koontz has other characters named Jimmy Tock, Junior Cain, Aelfric Manheim, Martin Stillwater, Harry Lyon, and Joanna Rand
Steven King is an expert at picking effective names for villains with Leland Gaunt, Randall Flagg, George Stark, and Percy Wetmore
names suggest tone . . . Thelma and Louise were names that projected the image of trailer park trash . . . the bounty hunter Stephanie Plum suggests cute, perky, and hapless while Temperance Brennan the forensic anthropologist seems tougher, darker, and edgier . . . names like Chuck, Dirk, or Biff are hard and punchy . . . names should be vital clues to a characters ethnicity and age
Scott Nicholson Really Long Link
novelist and writing instructor Marian Jones advises against using names that end in “s.” In the possessive (s’s), the double “s” hisses on the page
apparently Suzanne Brockmann’s picks a first name she likes and then reads phone books for ethnic last names to achieve a "guy-next-door" kind of sound . . . she searches websites that have lists of the most popular names for boys and girls born in any given year, f she has a secondary character who’s seventy-five years old, she checks to see what was popular the year they were born
romance author Cynthia VanRooy suggests keeping a notebook of potential character names and writing names down whenever one strikes you . . . she suggests short one-syllable names with hard consonants for male characters to give a macho masculine feel (Shane, Matt, Jake, John, Kurt, Grant, Max, Dirk etc) where as soft multiple syllable names exude femininity (Gina, Sherri, Jennifer, Suzy etc)
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names should be relevant to the historical setting, class, and profession of the character . . . with only one unusual or exotic sounding character per story . . . you should pay attention to their sound and rhythm with regards to the other characters and the surroundings
right . . . got it . . . check, check, check
i grabbed the local phone book, a book of famous quotes, scoured my facebook friends lists and hit the online baby name databases . . . im looking for androgynous or unisex names from my generation in white australia that arent the exact names of people i actually know . . .
i think ill be working on the list for awhile but im definately coming up with some better options than what i originally had!
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writing a novel is like having many many fully grown babies to name haha
the name of a character is vital to beginning their characterisation!
"You will probably want to use dictionaries of names to help you find a name that conveys the right picture of your character . . . "
p73, Ch5, "How To Write & Sell Your First Novel" by Oscar Collier & Frances Spatz Leighton 1997
the book cites Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol" by Dickens and Becky Sharpe in "Vanity Fair" by William Thackery
GENIUS! i thought to myself (the simple obvious things often impress me the most haha)
the book also says it can be a legal problem to choose a name of an actual person that exists within the locatio the book is set in and recommends checking the phone book when selecting character names
A Richard is different from a Dick is different from a Richie is different from a Ricardo. Sue is not Suzannah, Suzie, or Susan. We expect an appliance repairman to be named Danny, not Danforth, or Fred instead of Frederick. An attorney or stockbroker will more likely be Charles than Charlie, or Lawrence instead of Larry. We’d probably be more comforted to have a doctor named Eleanor instead of Muffy, or an airline pilot named Virginia rather than Brittany.
author Scott Nicholson warns of using names that are too loaded "If your fictional Edward Wax is a candle maker or your Webb Weatherman is a meteorologist, you’d better be writing comedy or satire." and points out the trend of name-dropping other authors or literary characters can often be more tedious than clever and lose the reader
or making your characters names too "namey" like they are from a random name generator, saying Dean Koontz is one of the only writers "skilled enough to name a serious character “Odd Thomas” and get away with it." Koontz has other characters named Jimmy Tock, Junior Cain, Aelfric Manheim, Martin Stillwater, Harry Lyon, and Joanna Rand
Steven King is an expert at picking effective names for villains with Leland Gaunt, Randall Flagg, George Stark, and Percy Wetmore
names suggest tone . . . Thelma and Louise were names that projected the image of trailer park trash . . . the bounty hunter Stephanie Plum suggests cute, perky, and hapless while Temperance Brennan the forensic anthropologist seems tougher, darker, and edgier . . . names like Chuck, Dirk, or Biff are hard and punchy . . . names should be vital clues to a characters ethnicity and age
So where do you get names? You can turn to the phone book, but you’ll want to mix and match first and last names so you don’t inadvertently create a character that’s too close to home for some real person you’ve never met and who might be litigious. I once encountered a real person who had the same two names as one of my fictional characters, and it gave me pause. Using local surnames can add authenticity if your fiction is set in the area where you live. I often scour the obituaries because I use a lot of rural characters with long local lineages. “Baby name” books are great resources, especially if you have multicultural characters, though you won’t always find help with surnames. The Internet is an obvious and easy tool, and don’t forget your own imagination.
Scott Nicholson Really Long Link
novelist and writing instructor Marian Jones advises against using names that end in “s.” In the possessive (s’s), the double “s” hisses on the page
apparently Suzanne Brockmann’s picks a first name she likes and then reads phone books for ethnic last names to achieve a "guy-next-door" kind of sound . . . she searches websites that have lists of the most popular names for boys and girls born in any given year, f she has a secondary character who’s seventy-five years old, she checks to see what was popular the year they were born
romance author Cynthia VanRooy suggests keeping a notebook of potential character names and writing names down whenever one strikes you . . . she suggests short one-syllable names with hard consonants for male characters to give a macho masculine feel (Shane, Matt, Jake, John, Kurt, Grant, Max, Dirk etc) where as soft multiple syllable names exude femininity (Gina, Sherri, Jennifer, Suzy etc)
You’ve probably read not to have two characters in a book with names that begin with the same letter because it gets confusing for the reader. The same rule applies to names that may be spelled differently but sound the same like Jack and Zack, Mary and Terry, Sam and Tammy.
And if you want the reader to take your characters seriously, avoid alliteration. Mandy Mathers and Tim Thomas may be wonderful characters for a children’s story, but a little too cute for adult reading. Likewise, be sure that the combination of your hero and heroine’s names don’t sound silly together—Jack and Jill, Pat and Mike, Mark and Cleo
And if you want the reader to take your characters seriously, avoid alliteration. Mandy Mathers and Tim Thomas may be wonderful characters for a children’s story, but a little too cute for adult reading. Likewise, be sure that the combination of your hero and heroine’s names don’t sound silly together—Jack and Jill, Pat and Mike, Mark and Cleo
Cynthia VanRooy Really Long Link
names should be relevant to the historical setting, class, and profession of the character . . . with only one unusual or exotic sounding character per story . . . you should pay attention to their sound and rhythm with regards to the other characters and the surroundings
right . . . got it . . . check, check, check
i grabbed the local phone book, a book of famous quotes, scoured my facebook friends lists and hit the online baby name databases . . . im looking for androgynous or unisex names from my generation in white australia that arent the exact names of people i actually know . . .
i think ill be working on the list for awhile but im definately coming up with some better options than what i originally had!
yWriter download
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baby name databases
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http://www.babyhold.com/
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writing a novel is like having many many fully grown babies to name haha
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Comment by Cheryl J
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I remember years ago, Wil and Adam were talking names on Triple J. Their example was Heather Locklear in Melrose Place and the fact her character's name was Amanda. They said something along the lines of "Amanda is a name of someone up the corporate ladder whereas nobody would take anyone named Heather seriously. Heathers and Cheryls are receptionists and office girls". I remember being incensed at my name being so abused and then laughing my arse off. It's true! A vice-president in my company is an Amanda and the only Heather I knew was an admin assistant and I'm an administrator Bahahaha. They had us nailed.
Character names can be a difficult thing. Kathy Reichs is a real forensic anthropologist, an incredibly intelligent woman and a best-selling author but her main character's name is Temperance Brennan which sends me into fits of laughter it's so awful!
Great tips above. Good luck with your baby/character names
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my characters are loosely based on people i know and stories that actually happened to me or my friends so a huge element of the way people relate to me has hinged on my unisex name
but when i was thinking of other unisex names they just started to sound like terrible sterotypes from romance novels and other genre fiction
i really needed to have a brain storming session and come up with something fresh! haha
the only names more australian than Cheryl is Sharon or Charlene
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You, my dear, were blessed with a name that sounds like a perfect book character - you should thank your parents. I was cursed with a name that gets called to aisle 7 to clean up the spill.
At least my parents didn't try to sex up the name by misspelling it or making it up, I hate that! Nothing screams bogan like a name like Taneesha or Schappelle or Tiffani aggghh!
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But i would absolutely say that naming fictional characters is harder than naming babies. Not that i have ever named a baby but i do have some up my sleeve should the need arise.
But naming characters for my films and scripts...urgghh....i hate it. it's so important to get the name right. And so hard.
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There's a website I used to use to find names, as they have a cool name database that allows you to input a meaning and get names. Plus you can find names by gender, origin, and whatnot. But, I can't seem to remember the URL, and it's not bookmarked on this computer. :-\
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yeah i wish i could just name all my characters Morgan, it really is the name for all purposes! haha
the problem with making up a name is that it always sounds made up!
oh and i think we should get Schapelle on Aisle 7 haha
hi Ruby,
well i named my cat instantly and i think if i had a baby i could do the same . . . i think its easier in real life because the surname is already set and you just have to think of something dynamic . . . but when i think of character names they all sound wrong, i had a character called Alex and it annoyed me every time i read it, it was all WRONG!
i dont know if im thinking about it too much or not enough . . . i just dont want them to sound really american because it is set in sydney and (as Cheryl said above) i dont really want Max Power or Alex Cross or any other giant cartoonish cliche
hi Whitney,
yeah i get the impression im probably going to be changing mine around a fair bit too!
i would love to see the database you are talking about once you get back to your regular computer!
thanks for the comments ladies!
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its really hard! haha
i was originally taking the first names of people i knew and randomly allocating them to the characters, but it just didnt suit the characters . . . i like the idea about suggesting something about the personality with the name . . . and steering away from defaming my friends!
i dont want the major characters to be cheesey, maybe a minor walk-on character could have a funny name for a laugh?
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I think sharron, or shaz is the most bogan,
Check how this sounds.
Huhum,
"Sharron, where are the farkin kids"
To which sharron replys while she is playing the pokies.
"Robo, there in the car ya c***."
Just another day at the minto pub.
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It's a baby name generator on parenthood.com
Here's the exact link:
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You can even opt to search for names beginning or ending in certain letters, as well.
I try to avoid naming characters after people I know, as it makes it hard for me to give the character traits of its own.
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im definately going to make my most bogan character a sharon! lol
SHAZZA SHAZZA SHAZZA OY OY OY hahaha
my stand in names were halting my progress, i couldnt bond with my chaacters!
good luck with the screenplay!
hi Whitney,
thanks for getting back to me with the baby site!
i think you could be right about limiting the traits of a character by giving them a real persons name, thanks for the tip!
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Character naming is really tough Morgan because it needs to encompass the personality of the character without sounding trite.
My suggestion is first make a list of the names of people you are basing your characters on, next write a list of the names of other friend's names, the next list should have a list of names of characters from TV shows you like and books you've read etc. Now the exercise is to write something, even if it's just a line, about that person or character's personality. Does the name suit them? Then look at what it is that makes it suit them. For example if you know a Michael (I threw that in because almost everyone does). Is Michael a Michael, Mick, Mike, Mikey etc? Why? Are they conservative or traditional or strong? They might suit Michael. Are they a bloke's bloke, happy-go-lucky salt of the earth that you'd have a beer with, they might be Mick. Are they laid back, really friendly? They might be Mike. Are they fun, a party person, young at heart, up for anything? They might be a Mikey. One name but many different interpretations. I hope that makes sense because I'm waffling a bit.
Then you can jumble up surnames with different names as well.
I do think gender non-specific or swappable names are great though. I know you don't want them to sound too stereotyped but a lot of them aren't. Yours for instance. I think you just need to be careful of the surname if you are using a unisex name. That's when it can become stereotypical.
This whole subject has me thinking on different tangents now. ! great kick starter, well done!
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thankyou for all that fantastic advice!
i am definately trying to avoid sounding trite . . . i should have a character called Michael McTrite who is a big giant stereotype! haha
names suggest so much about the character . . . i have some serious thinking to do!
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Morgan, I try so hard to avoid naming characters after people I know, but definitely grab personality traits from people I know. I just change the name and add or subtract traits. It's really a mathematical game. lol. But, if you took all new traits you could seemingly name a character with the same name as a friend or family member, but I have problems separating the two, which is why I don't do it. :-\ I've had characters named and whatnot, then the moment I realize I know someone by that name, things tend to change in the story.
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you are charming my readers as much as you are charming me! i should hire you as a guest writer! we have to collaborate soon . . . get your people to call my people and we will do brunch! haha
hey slacko,
i know someone that works for a tv station . . . but its in Tamworth! lol
hi Whitney,
you always make perfect sense!
it is hard to have true creative freedom if you have a real person in mind because you feel obliged to do them justice!
hey what are you writing at the moment anyway?
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Why are you awake at this hour???
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what are YOU doing awake at this hour? lol
i actually stay up all night every night, im basically nocturnal, i think better at night and get more writing done without distractions . . . well thats my story anyway, and im sticking to it!
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I was on my way to work! 6 days a week! Someone has to keep the economy moving forward.
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i didnt realise it was you who were keeping the economy going, i thought it was my google adsense earnings! haha
Comment by Sonya 1
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Naming characters is a nightmare! I'm completely lost if mine don't introduce themselves with at least their first name ... glad to see you're still using yWriter!
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yeah its a fanstastic program, quite simple but ideal for jotting down all your scenes
i wonder if i could get away with calling them Character 1 and Character 2 etc haha
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I've prety much hit a stump and haven't really picked it up for over a year. :-\ Well, that piece of it. Right now I have a few different angles that will all tie into one big thing when I'm done... I hope... I just hope that I'm not 60 before I'm finished. I'd actually like to see it printed up before I die. ha.
By the way in regards to Character 1 and 2, ect. I actually started piece like that, except it was man 1, female 1, etc. Then they got first names, and then 2nd, and at this point I think I'm on their 3rd or 4th names as I just can't decide a permanent name for them. It's hard to find names that fit the character, while ignoring some of my (personal) favorite names, as sometimes those names just don't fit the characters.