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Lost Dog: Have You Checked The Mirror?

June 16th 2009 11:35
Charles Darwin once made observations about how animals react to seeing their own reflection in a mirror.

It was a test of self-awareness and self-recognition.

The "mirror test" has since been expanded on and scientists have discovered only nine animals (including humans) are able to recognise themselves when a mirror is held up in front of them.

All of the great apes (bonobos, chimpanzees, orangutans, gorillas, and humans) pass the test, however human babies only develop the skills to pass the test after they are about 18 months old.

Other animals capable of passing the test are bottlenose dolphins, killer whales, elephants, and European magpies.

Dogs and young human babies fail the mirror test. They are not self-aware.

If a dog or a human baby has a blemish on them, even if you hold a mirror right in front of their face they will not see that the imperfection is part of them. They will look at the mirror and think the mark is on the figure on the other side of the glass.

If you lose a dog (or a human baby) and you put their face on posters around the neighbourhood, or on TV, they will not recognise themselves. They can not identify their own image. Dogs will never pass the mirror test, but human babies learn to as they mature.

Adult humans who have been blind from birth but have their sight restored initially react as if their reflection in the mirror was another person. They have no visual self-awareness until they learn to develop it.

I think there is a lesson about the value of self-examination in this for us all.

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Comment by Janet Collins

June 16th 2009 13:33
My brother once said to me that he had a photo board at one job he was at where he put photos up of staff. All of them used to comment "that's not me!" or "that is not what I really look like!"

He always thought these photos were very much to their likeness but obviously he was alone

We all just can't recognise outselves.

Comment by Mau-Medellin

June 16th 2009 13:40
Morgan Bell,

This was an interesting article in deed. I wonder, if perhaps I were to give some things away to those less fortunate, maybe god would give my dog the ability to recognise herself in the mirror.

Certainly this would be an asset many dogs could benefit from; one pug dog in particular needs to take a good long hard look at her face in the mirror!

Mau-Medellin

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 16th 2009 14:24
hi Janet,

humans are funny creatures, how funny that we can struggle to recognise photos of ourselves, the same face you look at in the mirror everyday

makes me think of people who suffer from body dysmorphia or varying degrees of skewed body image

there often is a gaping chasm between seeing and perceiving

thanks for sharing that story




hi Mau,

maybe god would give my dog the ability to recognise herself in the mirror.

arent you gay? i didnt think the RSPCA allowed you guys to adopt dogs or human babies

Comment by Mau-Medellin

June 16th 2009 14:42
Morgan Bell,

My sexuality is of no relevance to you, and your clansmen. So why don't you go and reflect on that rude statements whilst waiting for a Taxi!

Oh and while I'm on this little rant, how about going to the dentist and see what can be done about those horse teeth of yours... it's one thing to be a frumpy lass, but I really think the hole Mr. Ed love-child thing is a bit much.

Mau-Medellin

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 16th 2009 14:51
hi Mau,

i like your new blog about Swan Flue . . . its your best work yet!

i cant even think straight . . .

i wish i could find a bigger smiley face (with more teeth)


Comment by Mau-Medellin

June 16th 2009 14:59
Oh Morgan you trully are, A Good Samaritan

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 16th 2009 15:11
and you, my dear Mau, are a gift from god . . . id choose you over a loaf of bread or a taxi any day

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 16th 2009 16:37
An anonymous emailer sent this response to my post. The person is not interested in joining Orble but I thought that it was fair that I publish his comments anyway.

Deep Pencil does not endorse all comments placed on its site but allows them to be displayed in the interests of Freedom of Speech.

From: 'Notes From the Gay Agenda':


I happen to find your post highly amusing.

Checkmate.

Imagine for a moment you are in a classroom of young children. And the subject is human nature, or the body. And the teacher asks a really naughty question like, why did God give us mirrors. Can you imagine innocent little boys saying, So I can see my own reflection?

Well it's coming to that. It will be taught in schools soon if this rot keeps up. Except the question won't be Why did God give us mirrors. It will be Why did the big bang give us dogs. Dogs see mirrors as a natural objects. I can't see anything natural about it. Stringing along desperate women seems a natural act. I like women that can backflip on their own opinions within the space of a few months just for the chance at some Eunuch loving.

I'll leave dogs to their own de(vices). I am yet to meet a dog with any powers of true logic or reasoning at all. That's not vilification. I haven't met them all. And don't want to if the ones I have met are an indication of that community lack of ability to think clearly.

I do not feel the need to speak out against humans adopting dogs. And I haven't done so here. I do not want heavily mirrored buildings being forced into accepting dogs into their foyer. So what?

My self-awareness may have changed, but at least I am not stuck in a time warp where the views I formulated earlier this year are stuck to me like some kind of sticky paper. I like to continuously challenge myself with inconsistancy.

Basically I am trying to prove some sort of point because I spoke out favourably about mirrors once, so therefore I must be constantly act like a dog.

Sickness and mania are just low brow tactics. Learn from the boy who cried wolf, a dingo may eat your baby.

Dogs should choose to follow their consciences rather than following the laws of the day. After all dogs are not people, and people are not babies.

Checkmate.

Game over check mate.

The dog community just blew their entire credibility.
They may bluster all they like from now on.

Checkmate.

They are all woof.

The Purge continues.

Checkmate.
I think.

The Ethiopian Eunuch

Comment by Earl Leonard

June 17th 2009 01:58
I find it interesting that only one species of Magpie passes the test... I wonder what makes them different from the other species of Magpie (or other similar birds rooks/ravens/crows etc) or other species of whales, dolphins, porpoises other than bottlenose and killer for that matter. Do btoh african and Indian Elephants pass? Wouldn't that make it 10 species then? Which doesn't if only one of them does?

Also, Is that 18 month thing for babies an average rather than a definitive? It seems like my son has known his own reflection is just that, for over a month or so now, and he's a couple of weeks shy of 18 months still. I could be wrong, but he used to point and go `bub' but now he goes `Jabber' (his names Jasper) and he put a bowl on his head yesterday, then ran to the mirror in our bedroom to look, and laughed at the `boll-hat' (it was pretty funny). So yeah, is there deviation in that figure the same way there is for language/motor skills?

Interesting post either way.

Comment by RubySoho

June 17th 2009 04:51
Ah, I see little has changed in my absence...

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 17th 2009 08:05
hi Ethiopian Eunuch,

i think i have the solution:

check mate condoms

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 17th 2009 08:18
hi Earl,

the elephant was the Asian elephant, i dont know if anyone has tested the two African species (Bush and Forest) yet . . . i think theres only nine species we know of so far

it sounds to me like Jasper definitely passes the mirror test, id say 18 months is a general guide based on averages

heres some more info:

In 1970, Gordon Gallup reported an experiment which he claimed to demonstrate self-awareness in chimpanzees. His experiment was a variation of the rouge test, which had been used by developmental psychologists for many years to demonstrate the point in human development when very young children first demonstrate self-awareness. In the developmental test, a mark of rouge, or some other distinctive coloring, is clandestinely placed on the forehead of the young child. The child is then placed in front of a mirror. Very young children, around one year in age, will typically look at the mirror image and react to it as if they were looking at another child. They will attempt to play with this other child they see in the mirror. Most human children around 18 months of age show a different response. They look in the mirror, note there is a mark of coloring upon their foreheads, and then they try to wipe it away. This response is seen as being indicative of a concept of self.

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Comment by Morgan Bell

June 17th 2009 08:20
hi Ruby,

you trained me well as your lapdog and sycophant

Comment by Wilson Pon

June 17th 2009 11:07
Morgan, what an interesting test here! I wondered if the cat also passed the mirror test or not...?

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 17th 2009 11:28
hi Wilson,

no, apparently cats do not pass the mirror test either

my parents have a mirrored sliding door cupboard at the end of a hallway in their house, whenever a new cat is in their home (like my cat when i moved in, or new kittens) they always approach the mirror with trepidation like they think it is another animal

sometimes cats will look behind mirrors to see where the other animal is

Comment by Jason King

June 18th 2009 09:01

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 18th 2009 09:19
hi Jason,

animal behaviour is most fascinating!

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