Morgan BellMost Catholics support Gay Adoption
June 18th 2009 04:11
A national opinion poll in the USA completed in April 2009 by Quinnipiac University has shown that 2/3 of American Catholics support gay adoption.
61% of American Catholics support gay adoption.
68% of American Catholics support same-sex civil unions.
64% of White American Catholics support openly gay people serving in the military and believe "don't ask, don't tell" should be repealed.
CLICKHERE for full poll results.
In the UK a spokesperson for the Roman Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement welcomed the decisions of the Charity Commissioners and the Charities Tribunal to refuse three Catholic adoption agencies permission to change their charitable objects in order to be able to refuse gay couples.
"These agencies were seeking to exclude all lesbian, gay and bisexual people from the ambit of their services, including those who choose to live their lives celibately in strict accordance with Catholic church teaching."
In April 2007 the then Archbishop of Westminster, Cormac Murphy O'Connor, wrote to the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, citing "church teaching" as the reason for requesting a statutory exemption to permit Catholic adoption agencies to refuse to assess same sex couples as potential adopters.
The Archbishop stated that if the exemption was not granted, the agencies would be forced to close. The government refused the Archbishop's request. The adoption agencies are still operating.
Catholic adoption agencies in the UK succeeded in accommodating for the change in policy and complied with the law. They either transferring the adoption work on to other agencies or offered adoption services in accordance with the new regulations.
There were however three Catholic agencies that applied to the Charity Commissioners for permission to adopt new objects in their charitable instrument so they could discriminate against gays under Regulation 18 of the Equality Act Sexual Orientation Regulations (part of the Equality Act 2006).
Westminster, Leeds and Birmingham, who previously had no rules specifying that eligibility should be based on sexual orientation, sought to add the following phrase to their objects:
"The Society shall provide adoption services only to heterosexuals and only in accordance with the tenets of the Roman Catholic church".
The Charity Commissioners refused permission to all three agencies to amend their charitable objects. All appeals against this refusal were dismissed.
"This proposed object is blatantly contrary to Catholic church teaching," said the Caucus spokesperson.
When the Sexual Orientation Regulations came into effect in April 2007 the Catholic Children's Society of the three southern dioceses of Southwark, Arundel and Brighton, and Portsmouth announced their decision to comply with the law.
The Society voted to change its name to the "Cabrini Children's Society", and to continue its work. The Society has received funding from Catholic parishes and schools in annual appeals and expects to continue doing so.
A spokesperson for the Society said that Catholics donated to the Society in order that they continue their work with children and families, indicating that religious sensibilities did not enter into the question directly.
"People who give money to our society do so to improve the lives of children. We've had people emailing and telling us, 'you've taken the right course of action'. We've had a lot of support."
Since making the announcement, only two donors have contacted the Society saying they would cease donations. One third of the work of the Society involves the recruiting of Catholic families to adopt Catholic children in the care of government social services.
"We are a social care agency, not a ministry of the Catholic Church"
In 2003 the Vatican issued a statement saying homosexual adoptions "mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development."
Once again the Church has been proven as grossly out of touch with what most Catholics really want and believe is right.
61% of American Catholics support gay adoption.
68% of American Catholics support same-sex civil unions.
64% of White American Catholics support openly gay people serving in the military and believe "don't ask, don't tell" should be repealed.
CLICKHERE for full poll results.
In the UK a spokesperson for the Roman Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement welcomed the decisions of the Charity Commissioners and the Charities Tribunal to refuse three Catholic adoption agencies permission to change their charitable objects in order to be able to refuse gay couples.
"These agencies were seeking to exclude all lesbian, gay and bisexual people from the ambit of their services, including those who choose to live their lives celibately in strict accordance with Catholic church teaching."
In April 2007 the then Archbishop of Westminster, Cormac Murphy O'Connor, wrote to the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, citing "church teaching" as the reason for requesting a statutory exemption to permit Catholic adoption agencies to refuse to assess same sex couples as potential adopters.
The Archbishop stated that if the exemption was not granted, the agencies would be forced to close. The government refused the Archbishop's request. The adoption agencies are still operating.
Catholic adoption agencies in the UK succeeded in accommodating for the change in policy and complied with the law. They either transferring the adoption work on to other agencies or offered adoption services in accordance with the new regulations.
There were however three Catholic agencies that applied to the Charity Commissioners for permission to adopt new objects in their charitable instrument so they could discriminate against gays under Regulation 18 of the Equality Act Sexual Orientation Regulations (part of the Equality Act 2006).
Westminster, Leeds and Birmingham, who previously had no rules specifying that eligibility should be based on sexual orientation, sought to add the following phrase to their objects:
"The Society shall provide adoption services only to heterosexuals and only in accordance with the tenets of the Roman Catholic church".
The Charity Commissioners refused permission to all three agencies to amend their charitable objects. All appeals against this refusal were dismissed.
"This proposed object is blatantly contrary to Catholic church teaching," said the Caucus spokesperson.
When the Sexual Orientation Regulations came into effect in April 2007 the Catholic Children's Society of the three southern dioceses of Southwark, Arundel and Brighton, and Portsmouth announced their decision to comply with the law.
The Society voted to change its name to the "Cabrini Children's Society", and to continue its work. The Society has received funding from Catholic parishes and schools in annual appeals and expects to continue doing so.
A spokesperson for the Society said that Catholics donated to the Society in order that they continue their work with children and families, indicating that religious sensibilities did not enter into the question directly.
"People who give money to our society do so to improve the lives of children. We've had people emailing and telling us, 'you've taken the right course of action'. We've had a lot of support."
Since making the announcement, only two donors have contacted the Society saying they would cease donations. One third of the work of the Society involves the recruiting of Catholic families to adopt Catholic children in the care of government social services.
"We are a social care agency, not a ministry of the Catholic Church"
In 2003 the Vatican issued a statement saying homosexual adoptions "mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development."
Once again the Church has been proven as grossly out of touch with what most Catholics really want and believe is right.
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Comment by Jason King
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Good info Lady Morgan - now I might have the chance for a kid one day.
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What an interesting article. I think our perception of Catholic's is so skewed due to how out of touch, and out spoken the Vatican is on these issues. Perhaps this is because the Pontiff is always so much older than the average population; I mean, can a Octogenarian Pontiff really be in touch with a western world population aged between 30-40?
Personally, I think stability, love, quality care, education, and time (spent with a child) are what is best for the child - regardless of whether they have two dads, two mums, a single parent or a mother & father.
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interesting, isnt it? the shifting face of the Catholic church
i find it quite encouraging that even the old dinosaur institutes have the potential for change, and in the end people do think for themselves and choose the right thing to do
i hope you do have a kid one day if you want to, i know many gay couples (and singles) who are wonderful parents
its great to see religious people putting the interests of the child above unfounded prejudices, the less kids in orphanages and the foster system the better
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i dont think the Vatican represents Catholic people very well at all, even Catholic nuns disagree with the official position on many issues
did you see my article on "Catholic Nuns support Gay & Reproductive Rights"?
very well said!
i totally agree!
Comment by Kleonaptra
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Very recently gay couples were granted equality by centrelink. If they are a defacto couple, they will be treated as one, and given the exact same rules and treatment as a hetero couple.
But I heard on the radio today that gay couples are not going to declare their status as it might mean a change in their payments. I honestly thought that the community would be overjoyed at being taken seriously by a government organisation, true, centrelink are watching their bottom line, and it may cut their payments, but from everything Ive heard, its being recognised thats important. A few bucks a fortnight is surely worth a win on this long fought battle field.
I believe it would be easier for gay couples to fool centrelink too, saying "oh, he's/she's just my roomate", whereas if a person of the opposite sex stays a certain amount of nights at your house they are considered your defacto - whether you are or not! - and payments are adjusted accordingly.
So perhaps the radio announcement I heard was over the top, but its not the first of heard of it. I thought the battle was for equality, not for a greater chance of ripping off centrelink?
Sorry to go off topic, but I thought someone here might be able to help answer this.
Comment by Tischa
As an employee of Centrelink, I hope you don't think I'm being rude, but I felt compelled to respond to your comment.
It is true that Centrelink now recognise same-sex relationships, providing those couples in a de facto style relationship with the same access to entitlements and services as their heterosexual counterparts. Unfortunately, with these changes in legislation, there has been no provision made to minimise the distress or embarrassment to those same-sex couples who have been forced to live together as 'flat-mates' and are now quite elderly.
Previously, with a major change in legislation, such as the rise in retirement age, a clause known as the Grandfather clause, was put in place which allowed those people already claiming the benefit to do so until such time as they cease being an Australian resident, or pass away.
If you have been in a same-sex relationship for many years, and are now in the later stages of life, these sorts of changes can be quite distressing. Many same-sex couples felt unable to declare their sexuality due to fear - and this is a terrible thing. We are now forcing these people to 'come out' or they face the real possibility of being fined or penalised by Centrelink for providing false information.
A point to keep in mind, is that the number of people who are actually effected by this would be quite small. However, they still deserve to be treated with dignity and where requested discretion.
For openly gay couples, the changes are certainly going to be of benefit; and I am yet to hear any feedback to the contrary.
Furthermore, with the changes in legislation, this no longer applies:
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cryptic as always . . . but yes it it a very good thing!
Comment by Morgan Bell
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im not really that much of a stickler for people keeping on topic, as long as you are promoting discussion and not personally attacking me or my readers about their gender or sexuality (which i know you would never do) im happy to Verify side issues and tangents
i dont know what program you were listening to or who was being interviewed, but i guess like any minority group the queer community is made up of individuals who will respond to a change with a range of reactions
you may have just happened to have heard the opinions of an individual who does not really represent the views of the majority of queer people
i cant tell you what every gay person thinks, but the gay people of my acquaintance have all welcomed the move and found it quite validating
i have had more gay male housemates then you can poke a stick at, and at times where i have been receiving youth allowance or newstart, Centrelink have always grilled me about whether they were supporting me simply based on them being opposite sex presuming there must be a romantic element
i think its much fairer ignoring gender and simply asking questions about shared bank accounts and assets and domestic duties etc, to distinguish between housemates and life partners
thanks for the interesting comment
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thanks for the insider info!
i think fear, distress, and embarrassment are all important issues to take into consideration when implementing changes that affect older gay couples . . . im glad Centrelink is showing some sensitivity in these cases
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As long as the gay parents giving the essential protection and needs to the children, they have the rights to adopt children!
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yes it should be all about the needs of the children and not about hatred and discrimination for the potential parents
thanks for your supportive comment
Comment by Anonymous
How am I expected to hide behind my Catholicism as an excuse for discriminating against gays when you publish factual information like this.
What an incredibly skewed question. If people have an axe to grind they will conduct a skewed survey that presupposes the answer in the asking.
Only an activist would quote a University opinion poll as a credible source. We all know Universities are full of imbeciles like academics and scientists. Dodgy.
Not good enough. I demand a referendum.
Checkmate.
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I'd get frustrated. Because I'd want to meet the person behind the words. But I'd read them just the same. Because "reality writing" is my favourite type of reading ...
That's when I love people the most ... when they're their natural selves ... When they forget all the adult worries of this life and just be ...
It's probably why my favourite people in the world are children ...
Why am I writing all this? Well, the intention was to visit your blog Morgan ... Maybe I get nervous around you? Even when you're not around? ...
Nup, I'm just speaking what's on my mind ...
I'd marry you. You're pretty. Or as Bruce would sing, '... hey you're alright.'
Sometimes I read what you write. But usually I just stare at your profile pic. You're pretty. And you write really nicely.
I'd better go before I write something I don't regret ...
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(or is your name Checkmate?)
good to see you followed the link i provided to the full poll results, thats why i put it there so clearly
also good to see you realise opinion polls are not intended to survey the entire population like a referendum, they use a sampling method and extrapolating generalities in ratio or within confidence intervals
if you have any concerns about the validity of the poll results or the statistical or collection methods used in the poll you can contact Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D at Quinnipiac University, Connecticut by phoning this number (203) 582-5201
heres a bit of info from Wiki which shows Quinnipiac polls are widely regarded as highly accurate and credible:
The polling operation began informally in 1988 in conjunction with a marketing class. It became serious in 1994 when the university hired a CBS News analyst to assess the data being gained.
The polls have been rated highly by Fivethirtyeight.com for accuracy in predicting primary and general elections.
hardly an activist source, it is actually quite mainstream, and definitely not fake or skewed or dodgy
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dont ever let anyone tell you that you are an irrational bigot, you are 100% pure charm, like an Indian snake charmer, or the Pied Piper of Hamelin . . . there is no manner of rodent or reptile you cannot woo
dont be nervous just because i can write rings around you . . . no regrets, babe
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Comment by Kleonaptra
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Thankyou so much for your answer. I dont think it was rude in any way and that information was exactly what I needed - its a perspective I had not thought of.
Morgan,
It was a news broadcast on 2day fm at about 3pm. I was cleaning the house when I caught it and thought - what the hell? But as I thought, the info I needed was out there. I think it was typical sensationalist news. They broadcast it a certain way entirely to get a reaction.
As to your actual post, I believe that life with a loving same sex couple far outweighs a life alone in an orphanage or wherever we keep them these days.....My only worry is that because same sex couples are not as widespread as hetero ones, there is a huge opportunity for teasing and bullying there, especially in some parts of the world.
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I read the poll that you quoted and it is so heavily skewered that it challenges reason.
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funny!
i hope someone tells Fox News and Reuters . . .
hi Kleo,
very true!
as for teasing and bullying, i think thats up to the parents of the teasers and bullies to educate their children to be more tolerant . . . the classroom has changed so much, even in the last ten years, nobody was out when i went to school, but these days 14, 15, 16 year olds are all proudly out of the closet, and many teachers too . . . i have great hope for the future
hi Nevar,
thanks for keeping it civil
if you have any recent statistical data to refute the Quinnipiac poll results i am happy for you to post it here
in the last post i did on the progress of Catholic people (which i have linked to above) i gave the following statistics:
61% of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be priests (September 2005 National Catholic Reporter Survey)
49% of U.S. Catholics do not believe all abortions should be illegal (Oct 2006 National Catholic Reporter Survey)
31% of American Catholics agree that using artificial birth control is a sin (Mar 2008 Contemporary Catholic Trends Survey)
62% of U.S. Catholics believe the Roman Catholic Church is out of touch with the views of Catholics in America today (Apr 2008 The Washington Post - ABC News Poll)
if you have conflicting information please present it
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I was just curious and puzzled by their results.
The is a very provocative issue among Catholics I'm sure.
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Sorry to have not responded sooner but I have been off Orble for days. I grew up a Catholic although I don't know what I would call myself now.
As for children of same sex relationships - well does it matter? Surely not because many of us are choosing to not have kids anyway so why should we be judging people who want children?
Don't understand the argument against it really!
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thanks for the great comment
i was pleasantly surprised myself when i read the poll results, it gives us reason to hope for the future . . . some people like to misrepresent Catholicism by claiming that being anti-gay and discriminating against homosexuals is a fundamental tenet, its not
i think one of the most important thing we can do as human beings is to accept that each individual experience will be different, and support the rights of people who have had an alternate life experience to you
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i dont understand the argument against it either
some sexist hogwash about a child needing both a male and a female as parents, a theory that undermines the role of grandparents and other extended family, and presumes both genders are somehow incomplete or insufficient
i think the nuclear family is largely a thing of the past, if you look at the divorce rate and the amount of babies born to single mums these days you will see how the biological mum and dad married and under the one roof model is something of a rarity
i think adoption agancies should be looking at employment, housing, income, available time, and criminal record etc when vetting potential parents, not ruling people out based on sexuality, gender, or marital status
we should be encouaging all suitable people who want to be parents to consider adoption so "unwanted" or orphaned children can have some stability
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i think Catholic people get a bad rap because the unhinged ones are usually the most outspoken, but there is obviously a huge undercurrent of progressive Catholics who will eventually change the establishment from the inside
in the same opinion poll i quoted from in the original article it clearly shows that the evangelical christians are much more conservative than Catholic eople in America
three cheers for progress
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its magic . . .
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"normal people"?
i think there are plenty of kids currently in the foster system that would probably disagree with your perception of how readily available "normal" parents are . . . there are a range of children of varying ages and with a range of special needs that are not always as "appealing" to "normal" people as a newborn, or the options of IVF and surrogacy
maybe they could start forcing gay men to have sex with women they are not attracted to as some sort of initiation? it sounds like the only accurate way of testing good parenting ability . . .
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well at least youre honest . . .
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Management took action and just so we're clear; everyone: I don't think it was Morgan's fault.
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Catholics are least anti-gay: study
July 26, 2005 - 2:12PM
Catholics are among the least homophobic people in Australia, despite the church's leaders railing against gay rights, a new study has found.
The Australia Institute study, Mapping Homophobia in Australia, released today, shows two-thirds of Baptists and evangelical Christians believe homosexuality to be immoral.
But Catholics, Anglicans and Uniting church members are the most tolerant, with only a third saying homosexuality is immoral.
Report co-author Dr Clive Hamilton said Catholic church views on homosexuality were among the highest profile in the country, with prominent leaders such as Cardinal George Pell active in debates over gay marriage and resisting calls to allow gay priests.
"However, it turns out that, among those who declare a religious affiliation, Catholics are the most tolerant in Australia," Dr Williams said.
"These counter-intuitive findings suggest that the Catholic Church has less doctrinal authority over its congregation than some other Christian and non-Christian churches."
Those of the 25,000 people surveyed who said they had no religion were the most tolerant on the issue, with only 19 per cent saying homosexuality was immoral.
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yeah i remember the time you used my photo without permission, i simply sent a politely worded email to admin explaining i owned the Copyright of the image (as i was the subject and the photographer) and they removed the image quite promptly
i see admin has removed all comments from the "absinth" character, well all the ones on this post anyway
sorry your wife had her Copyright violated as i did, good to see Jon still takes it seriously
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thats very interesting!
i also found the explanation to be equally interesting:
ill just highlight the result in case anyone was skimming:
"Catholics, Anglicans and Uniting church members are the most tolerant, with only a third saying homosexuality is immoral."
here is some added info for anyone wishing to check the validity of the study:
The Australia Institute study, "Mapping Homophobia in Australia", is based on a survey of nearly 25,000 Australians aged 14 and over carried out by Roy Morgan Research.
"Mapping Homophobia in Australia" is an Australia Institute Webpaper, July 2005, by Michael Flood and Clive Hamilton
For comment please contact:
Dr Michael Flood 02 6125 9703 or 0415 082 733
Dr Clive Hamilton 02 6125 1270 or 0413 993 223
to see full paper CLICKHERE
Two of the attitudinal questions in the Roy Morgan Research survey allow us to identify those who hold negative attitudes towards homosexuality. In particular respondents were asked to say whether they agree or disagree with the following statement.
‘I believe that homosexuality is immoral’.
This is used as our indicator of homophobia, although the two concepts are not identical. Others have used more detailed instruments to assess homophobia,13 but in the present study we have access to a very large and detailed sample that allows national omparisons across a range of demographic characteristics. Respondents were also asked whether they agree or disagree with the following statement.
‘Homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children’.
The belief that homosexuality is immoral and the belief that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt children are closely correlated, as might be expected. Of those who believe that homosexuality is immoral only seven per cent think that homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children. This compares to nearly 37 per cent of the total sample who consider that adoption by homosexual couples is acceptable. Among those who do not believe homosexuality is immoral, 56 per cent are of the opinion that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children.
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It seems like a lot as been going on around here the last 24hours. Nevar was deleted, along with several of his comments - he was being very homophobic!
And I might add, it is very ironic for him to talk about racism and we perpetuates every other 'ism' under the sun.
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"It has been estimated that they are six times more likely to attempt suicide than the population as a whole," Dr Hamilton said.
"Homophobic attitudes and behaviours have been shown to be prevalent in schools, putting same-sex attracted youth at risk of discrimination, victimisation and violence."
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i guess Nevar got on the wrong side of "The Purge"
i note that all of the people wringing their hands about the "racism" of Nevar being removed are the same people that support Teresa and her "I Like Asians" insanity, and S.L. Bradish with her holy mission to exterminate all Muslims
i guess the Orble community has spoken, and the message is that homophobia is unacceptable
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good point about the link between homophobia and violence, the suicide levels of young gay people (esp in regional/country areas) and transgendered people are always through the roof when compared to the general population, and community attitudes play a large part in that
homophobia in the form of inequality, discrimination, bullying, verbal assault, and physical violence, can make the lives of queer people intolerable in many cases
Comment by Lord Anthony
An irrational fear and loathing of homosexuals?
I certainly dont characterise myself as suffering that malody, and I dont know anyone who does.
I have created a post offering an alternative opinion to yours, I hope you will have a peek.
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i dont see a link to your post or blog or profile anywhere . . . are you an Orble blogger?
ive had a recent debate about the meaning of "homophobia" HERE . . . i discussed the definition with two gay male bloggers Doug Pollard and Fog
here are some excerpts of what i said:
ho·mo·pho·bia
noun
irrational hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality
ho·mo·pho·bi·a
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1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.
homophobic
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1. Prejudiced against homosexual people
regardless of someones reason for being prejudiced or hateful towards homosexuals, if they actively petition for gays to be afforded less than equal rights as straight people then they are exhibiting homophobia
the word "homophobia" is not simply the sum of its parts, it carries with it a specific meaning which is well defined to include contempt and discrimination
if someone holds the opinion that a gay person is entitled to less than a straight person they are basically saying you are a second-class citizen based on your sexuality
these kind of opinions are based on the misconception that homosexual behaviour is an "unnatural choice" that can be stopped if it is condemned
hatred of gays stems from homophobia, but not all homphobia is as extreme or blatant as gay hate crimes
some homophobia is ignorance, some is superiority, some is disgust and disdain, some is the wish to eradicate or minimise exposure to
i dont think the words "hatred" and "homophobia" are synonymous, i think hatred of gay people falls under the umbrella of homophobia, but it is possible to be homophobic without committing gay hate crimes
from the wikipedia:
A number of terms with the suffix -phobia are primarily understood as negative attitudes towards certain categories of people or other things, used in an analogy with the medical usage of the term. Usually these kinds of "phobias" are described as fear, dislike, disapproval, prejudice, hatred, discrimination, or hostility towards the object of the "phobia". Often this attitude is based on prejudices and is a particular case of general xenophobia.
Class discrimination is not always considered a phobia in the clinical sense because it is believed to be only a symptom of other psychological issues, or the result of ignorance, or of political or social beliefs. In other words, unlike clinical phobias, which are usually qualified with disabling fear, class discrimination usually has roots in social relations.
Chemophobia - prejudice against artificial substances in favour of "natural" substances.
Christianophobia - fear or dislike of Christians or Christianity.
Ephebiphobia - fear or dislike of youth or adolescents.
Gynophobia - fear or dislike of women.
Homophobia - fear or dislike of homosexuality.
Xenophobia - fear or dislike of strangers or the unknown.
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"An irrational fear and loathing of...x"
I think trying to convince my children of healthier lifestyle choices is quite rational.
_Lord Anthony
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what a charming expression, i think it shows just how rational you are
im not anti-Catholic, i have posted several positive articles on the progress of Catholic people, but i do think the history and politics of the Catholic Church should be open to scrutiny
i dont know where you have supposedly "ripped me a new one", certainly not through anything you have said here, but i find your aggression to be unnecessary
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But here is a link in case.
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im afraid the link you provided does not go anywhere
however, a piece of advice, as you are apparently a new user, you might want to watch what you say about other writers on this network, there is a Three Strike Policy now being enforced
you never really know who is moderating (the site or individual blogs), or where the moderators loyalties lie, many Orblers have share a certain intimacy due to admiration, respect, or infatuation . . . some even cohabit
you might want to watch what you say and how you address people, you may insult someone not knowing who is enamoured with them
hell hath no fury like a moderator struck